shū fáng
书房
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安如山
"Steady as a Mountain" in the Study
shī tú师徒jièyī jù一句shītándà guó大国guān xì关系zhōngdewěn dìng稳定biàn tōng变通xiàn shí现实lì yì利益

Master and student use a line of poetry to discuss stability, adaptability, and practical interests in relations between major powers.

王明月
shī fù师父jīn tiān今天jì zhě huì记者会shàngwáng yì王毅wài zhǎng外长yòngfēng yǔ bù dòng ān rú shān风雨不动安如山xíng róng形容zhōng é guān xì中俄关系zǒngjué de觉得zhèhuàzhǐ shì只是wài jiāo外交cí lìng辞令

Master, at today's press conference, Foreign Minister Wang Yi used the phrase 'steady as a mountain despite wind and rain' to describe China-Russia relations. I feel that phrase is more than just diplomatic rhetoric.

陈智高
dāng rán当然bú shì不是dù fǔ杜甫yuán shī原诗yǒuyōu huàn忧患zhīgǎnyòngzàizhè lǐ这里zhòng xīn重心zàifēng yǔ风雨bù dòng不动wài bù外部jú shì局势yuèdòng dàng动荡yuèyàoxiǎn shì显示guān xì关系derèn xìng韧性

Of course it is. In Du Fu's original poem, there is a sense of concern and hardship. Here, the focus is on the 'wind and rain' and the 'unmoving': the more turbulent the external situation becomes, the more important it is to demonstrate resilience in the relationship.

王明月
xiàn zài现在é wū俄乌chōng tū冲突zhì cái制裁zhèn yíng阵营duì kàng对抗dōuháizàijì xù继续zhè zhǒng这种wěnhuì bú huì会不会dàizhehěnqiángdexiàn shí现实yā lì压力

But with the Russia-Ukraine conflict, sanctions, and bloc confrontation still ongoing, doesn't this kind of 'stability' also come with significant real-world pressure?

陈智高
zhèngyīn wèi因为yǒuyā lì压力wěn dìng稳定cáiyǒufèn liàng分量zhōng é中俄zhī jiān之间jì yǒu既有néng yuán能源mào yì贸易zhè xiē这些wù shí务实xū qiú需求yǒuzàiduō biān多边chǎng hé场合xiāng hù相互xié tiáo协调dezhàn lüè战略kǎo lǜ考虑

Precisely because there is pressure, stability carries weight. Between China and Russia, there are practical needs such as energy and trade, as well as strategic considerations involving coordination in multilateral settings.

王明月
yě jiù shì shuō也就是说bú shì不是liǎngguójiǎn dān简单zhànzàiyì qǐ一起ér shì而是zàigè zì各自chǔ jìng处境xún zhǎo寻找kě chí xù可持续dezhī diǎn支点

So it's not simply about the two countries standing together, but about finding sustainable points of support within their respective circumstances?

陈智高
shuōhǎozhēn zhèng真正dewěn dìng稳定bú shì不是jiāng yìng僵硬bù biàn不变ér shì而是xiàngshānyǒugēn jī根基lín mù林木quèsuísì shí四时shēng zhǎng生长hé zuò合作lǐng yù领域huìcóngchuán tǒng传统néng yuán能源kuò zhǎn扩展dàoshù zì数字jīng jì经济lǜ sè绿色jì shù技术děngxīnfāng xiàng方向

Well said. True stability is not rigid immobility. A mountain has firm foundations, yet its forests grow and change with the seasons. Areas of cooperation can also expand from traditional energy into new fields such as the digital economy and green technology.

王明月
yǐ qián以前zhèlèixīn wén新闻zǒngróng yì容易bèikǒu hào口号dàizhezǒuxiàn zài现在kànguān jiàn关键hái shì还是yàofēn qīng分清shī yì诗意biǎo dá表达zhàn lüè战略pàn duàn判断jù tǐ具体lì yì利益

When I used to read this kind of news, I was often carried along by the slogans. Now I see that the key is to distinguish between poetic expression, strategic judgment, and concrete interests.

陈智高
zhèzhèng shì正是shí shì时事gāiyǒudegōng fu功夫tīngyáncháshìláidù fǔ杜甫shǒushīzhǎochū lái出来wǒ men我们cóngshī yǎn诗眼zàitán dào谈到guó jì国际zhèng zhì政治

That is exactly the skill needed for reading current affairs: listen to what is said, but also observe the broader trends. Come, find that poem by Du Fu, and we'll move from its central image to international politics.

王明月
hǎopào chá泡茶jīn tiān今天zhètángkǒng pà恐怕yàocóngcǎo táng草堂yī lù一路jiǎngdàomò sī kē莫斯科le

All right, I'll make some tea. It seems today's lesson will take us all the way from Du Fu's thatched cottage to Moscow.

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