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Nezha 2: The End of Rebellion?
chén zhì gāo陈智高wáng míng yuè王明月duìné zhā 2哪吒2zhǎn kāi展开pī pàn批判xìngduì huà对话tàn tǎo探讨shēn céng深层wén huà文化xù shì叙事wèn tí问题

陈智高 and 王明月 engage in a critical discussion about 'Nezha 2', exploring its deeper cultural and narrative issues.

王明月
shī fù师父nínkànwánné zhā 2哪吒2lemakàn dào看到bù shǎo不少píng lùn评论shuōyán xù延续lefǎn kàng反抗mìng yùn命运dezhǔ tí主题dànzǒngjué de觉得nǎ lǐ哪里bú duì jìn不对劲

Master, did you watch 'Nezha 2'? I saw a lot of reviews saying it continues the theme of defying fate, but something feels off to me.

陈智高
ńkànguòlezhèzuò pǐn作品què shí确实yán xù延续lewǒ mìng yóu wǒ bù yóu tiān我命由我不由天dekǒu hào口号dàngèngguān xīn关心deshìyǒu méi yǒu有没有zhēn zhèng真正dòng yáo动摇mìngbèi hòu背后dezhì dù制度huà yǔ quán话语权

Yes, I’ve seen it. The film does continue the slogan 'My fate is mine, not Heaven’s,' but what interests me more is whether it truly challenges the system and discourse behind 'fate'.

王明月
nínshìshuōné zhā哪吒suī rán虽然dǎ bài打败lewú liàng无量xiānwēngpiān jiàn偏见dexì tǒng系统běn shēn本身bìngméibèichù dòng触动

You mean, even though Nezha defeats Wuliang Xianweng, the system of prejudice itself remains untouched?

陈智高
zhèng shì正是rú cǐ如此né zhā哪吒demó xìng魔性jué xǐng觉醒běn zhì本质hái shì还是tōng guò通过gèngdelì liàng力量láiduì kàng对抗jiùzhì xù秩序érfēijiàn lì建立xīnzhì xù秩序zhèshìyī zhǒng一种yǐ lì pò jú以力破局deluó jí逻辑bú shì不是zhì dù制度xìngdediān fù颠覆

Exactly. Nezha’s 'demonic awakening' is essentially about using greater force to break the old order, not establishing a new one. It’s a logic of 'breaking through with power,' not a systemic subversion.

王明月
nínzěn me怎么kànwǎng shàng网上shuōwú liàng无量xiān wēng仙翁xiàng zhēng象征měi guó美国bà quán霸权né zhā哪吒xiàng zhēng象征zhōng guó中国fǎn kàng反抗deshuō fǎ说法shì bú shì是不是yǒu diǎn有点tàiqiǎnle

What do you think about the online claims that Wuliang Xianweng symbolizes American hegemony, and Nezha symbolizes Chinese resistance? Isn’t that a bit superficial?

陈智高
zhè zhǒng这种jiě dú解读shìyǒu qù有趣dedànrèn wéi认为fù zá复杂deguó jì国际guān xì关系jiǎn huà简化wèizhèng xié zhī zhàn正邪之战derè xuè热血xù shì叙事qí shí其实yǎn gài掩盖lejié gòu xìng结构性dewèn tí问题yǔ qí与其shuōshìyǐn yù隐喻bù rú shuō不如说shìduìxiàn shí现实zhèng zhì政治dexì jù huà戏剧化tóu shè投射

That interpretation is interesting, but I think simplifying complex international relations into a hot-blooded narrative of good vs. evil actually conceals structural problems. It’s more of a dramatized projection of real-world politics than a true metaphor.

王明月
háizhù yì注意dàoné zhā哪吒jī hū几乎méi yǒu没有chéng zhǎng成长guò chéng过程debù sǐ不死shè dìng设定ràngrénkànzhetàizhēn shí真实fǎn ér反而gèngxǐ huān喜欢jiāng zi yá姜子牙zhǔ jué主角denà zhǒng那种zhēng zhá挣扎gǎn

I also noticed that Nezha barely has a character arc. His 'immortal setting' makes it feel unrealistic. I actually preferred the protagonist's inner struggles in 'Jiang Ziya'.

陈智高
guān chá观察bù cuò不错né zhā哪吒dechéng zhǎng成长gèngxiàngshìwài guà外挂dié jiā叠加kàopéng yǒu朋友kàojiā rén家人kàomìng yùn命运gěideqí jì奇迹érfēinèi zài内在dejué xǐng觉醒zhè zhǒng这种zhǔ jué guāng huán主角光环qí shí其实xuē ruò削弱legù shì故事dezhé lǐ哲理hòu dù厚度

Good observation. Nezha’s development is more like stacking buffs—relying on friends, family, and miracles granted by fate, rather than inner awakening. This 'protagonist halo' weakens the philosophical depth of the story.

王明月
hái yǒu还有alǐ jìng李靖fū fù夫妇zhèchéngleài zi爱子mú bǎn模板jī hū几乎méileshàngdechōng tū冲突gǎnzhěng gè整个qīn qíng亲情xiàn线dōubèigōng jù工具huàle

And also, Li Jing and his wife became the 'loving parent template' in this one, losing the tension they had in the first film. The whole family storyline feels instrumentalized.

陈智高
tā men他们dexī shēng牺牲què shí确实gòu chéng构成leyī zhǒng一种lún lǐ伦理bèi lùn悖论wèi le为了jiùné zhā哪吒nìng yuàn宁愿xī shēng牺牲zhěng gè整个chén táng guān陈塘关bǎi xìng百姓sì hū似乎jiē shì揭示lemǒu zhǒng某种tè quán特权xù shì叙事deluó jí逻辑shuízhí de值得huóshuíshìkě yǐ可以xī shēng牺牲de

Their sacrifice indeed presents an ethical paradox. To save Nezha, they’re willing to sacrifice the people of Chentang Pass, which reveals a certain 'privilege' narrative—who deserves to live, and who can be sacrificed.

王明月
zài shuō再说dàowén huà文化biǎo dá表达yǒu rén有人shuōné zhā哪吒debào zǒu暴走zào xíng造型xiàngrì běn日本dòng màn动漫áo bǐng敖丙defù qīn父亲xiàngmó jiè魔戒delái gē lā sī莱戈拉斯shì bú shì是不是guó màn国漫yuè lái yuè越来越shī qù失去zì jǐ自己dewén huà文化zì xìn自信le

Speaking of cultural expression, some say Nezha’s rage mode looks like Japanese anime, and Ao Bing’s father resembles Legolas from 'The Lord of the Rings'... Is Chinese animation losing cultural confidence?

陈智高
zhèshìdāng dài当代guó chǎn国产dòng huà动画dekùn jìng困境yì fāng miàn一方面zhuī qiú追求guó jì国际shěn měi审美yì fāng miàn一方面yòuxiǎngwéi chí维持zhōng guó wén huà中国文化shū chū输出deqí hào旗号dāngwén huà文化biǎo dá表达biàn chéng变成pīn tiē拼贴mó fǎng模仿běn tǔ本土xìngjiùróng yì容易bèibiān yuán huà边缘化

That’s the dilemma of contemporary Chinese animation: on one hand, pursuing international aesthetics, and on the other, trying to uphold the banner of 'Chinese cultural export'. When cultural expression turns into collage and imitation, local identity is easily marginalized.

王明月
dànpiào fáng票房hěngāoaguān zhòng观众bú shì不是hěnmǎi zhàng买账ma

But the box office was huge. Didn’t the audience love it?

陈智高
zhèqià qià恰恰fǎn yìng反映leguān zhòng观众qíng gǎn情感zuò pǐn作品shēn dù深度decuò wèi错位dà jiā大家qī dài期待guó màn jué qǐ国漫崛起quècháng cháng常常shōu huò收获shì jué hōng zhà视觉轰炸xù shì kōng dòng叙事空洞deluò chà落差gǎnpiào fáng票房děng yú等于zhì liàng质量gèngděng yú等于wén huà文化fǎn sī反思dewán chéng完成

That actually shows the disconnect between audience emotion and the film’s depth. People want to see the rise of Chinese animation, but often get visual bombardment and hollow storytelling. Box office doesn’t equal quality, let alone cultural reflection.

王明月
guó màn国漫deyīng gāi应该zěn me怎么zǒuxià qù下去ne

So what path should Chinese animation take?

陈智高
yàocóngxuàn jì炫技huí guī回归xù shì叙事cóngmó fǎng模仿huí guī回归běnxīncóngxiāo fèi zhǔ yì消费主义huí guī回归wén huà文化shǐ mìng使命né zhā哪吒néngfǎn kàng反抗mìng yùn命运gèngyàogǎn yú敢于fǎn kàng反抗fú huá浮华shén huà神话jiǎngchūdāng dài当代réndelíng hún灵魂tòng diǎn痛点cáishìzhēn zhèng真正detū pò突破

It needs to return from spectacle to storytelling, from imitation to sincerity, from consumerism to cultural responsibility. If Nezha wants to rebel against fate, he must also rebel against superficiality. Only then can mythology touch the soul of today’s people and achieve true breakthroughs.

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